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> This question came up on another list and I was curious what some of
> you thought considering that many of you are not Java developers.
> Does anyone care that Sun may potentially open the source of Java? If
> so, why? You can already get the Java source code from Sun, but you
> don't have the right to modify and redistribute it. The Java
> Community Process has been in place for a while and is used for the
> community to propose and comment on changes to the language. Is there
> any need to go beyond this to a truly open source model? Opinions?
> Anyone actually care?

I agree with Eric and the other positive replies to your post.

Eric Boutilier's Sun Weblog at:
http://blogs.sun.com/roller/page/eric_boutilier
had this posting:

"Q: Where's my Java? A: From now on, it's Just There."
"This is a huge milestone."
Simon Phipps:
"... Yes, you can now apt-get install sun-java5-jre and have it
install without fuss on Debian and Ubuntu. Gentoo will have it soon
too.
This is not just for those distros. Novell has endorsed the new
license, NexentaOS, Belenix and Schillix are all using it and all
other GNU/Linux and OpenSolaris distros are welcome - e-mail me if you
have a distro and need help. ..."
Full post: JDK on GNU/Linux: Something Wonderful
http://blogs.sun.com/roller/page/webmink?entry=jdk_on_gnu_linux_something

[e2eiod comment...]
I would not question Sun's generosity too severely.
There are sound business reasons for doing this.
Patrick Barnes mentions "alternatives" in his reply.

Think in terms of AJAX:

http://storagemojo.com/?p=66
http://itscout.blogspot.com/2006/05/google-gifts.html
http://itscout.blogspot.com/2006/05/yahoo-does-ajax-too.html
http://itscout.blogspot.com/2006/05/revolution-will-not-be-podcast-blogged.html
The article by Joshua Greenbaum at:

http://www.intelligententerprise.com/channels/appmanagement/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=188101077

and your own Chris Nystrom with NewI/O:
- http://www.newio.org
NewI\O Blog
- http://newio.blogspot.com/
Developers Blog
- http://conversazione.blogspot.com/2005/12/good-newio-demo.html

Very interesting... I agree with Chris' statement for:

"NewI/O Project Justification A web browser is basically an Internet Document Browser (or IDB). It was not designed to run programs across the Internet. For example, it does not keep track of program state (Read the NewI\O Blog for technical discussions about the current state of the art). Existing systems appear to me to be kludges to get the document browser to do something for which it was not designed. What we need is a browser designed from the ground up to run programs across the Internet. What we need is an Internet Application Browser (IAB). We need something with the remote display capabilities like X-Windows, but with additional multi-media capabilities, wrapped in something with the ease of use of a web browser.

There is an opposing view to NewI/O posted at Eric Boutilier's Weblog:
http://blogs.sun.com/roller/page/eric_boutilier

"Ajax/Java and Databases

I must say, Google calendar is quite impressive. Maybe the Ajax phenomenon will finally solve my seemingly never-ending search for The One True Calendar: A calendar that not only am I motivated to use (radically fast, minimal-click item entry) but one that I can also get the rest of my family to use. Just think! we'd post and merge all our events, large and small, into one gloriously perfect, ubiquitously accessible, yet secure, MetaBoutilierCalendar.net. (16-year-old got a big Spanish test tomorrow? Bing! goes the alarm on my computer screen at 8:00 the night before prompting me to shout, "Joe, time to `BBL' your IM buddies so we can review the subjunctive!")

Anyway, what's this got to do with a UNIX/FOSS blog? Well being a former systems engineer, I also can't help wondering about the databases that are running behind the scenes of all these nifty new "Ajaxian" applications. Which is why these two recent articles really caught my eye:

Ajax and Databases
JavaDB: An idea whose time has finally come?

(By the way, I have no idea what database Google calendar uses.) "

Comment: Alternative to NewI/O

Eric, nice to see you are as enthusiastic as I am about Google Calendar! Regarding Ajax, databases and my post... well, I don't know for sure what Google Calendar uses, but in the case of most Ajax apps out there, behind all the client-side magic sits a classic CGI, or servlet, or what have you using a regular DB. I guess the kind of DB connectivity I wrote about is still in its infancy--and all the more exciting for that. Andrea

Posted by Andrea Campi (81.208.74.189) on May 10, 2006 at 06:39 PM CDT
Website: http://www.webcom.it/blog
http://www.webcom.it/blog/articles/2006/05/07/ajax-and-databases

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	Content Last Modified on June 02, 2006, at 10:00 AM CST This is a Presentation suggestion from Robert Pearson > This question came up on another list and I was curious what some of > you thought considering that many of you are not Java developers. > Does anyone care that Sun may potentially open the source of Java? If > so, why? You can already get the Java source code from Sun, but you > don't have the right to modify and redistribute it. The Java > Community Process has been in place for a while and is used for the > community to propose and comment on changes to the language. Is there > any need to go beyond this to a truly open source model? Opinions? > Anyone actually care? I agree with Eric and the other positive replies to your post. Eric Boutilier's Sun Weblog at: http://blogs.sun.com/roller/page/eric_boutilier had this posting: "Q: Where's my Java? A: From now on, it's Just There." "This is a huge milestone." Simon Phipps: "... Yes, you can now apt-get install sun-java5-jre and have it install without fuss on Debian and Ubuntu. Gentoo will have it soon too. This is not just for those distros. Novell has endorsed the new license, NexentaOS, Belenix and Schillix are all using it and all other GNU/Linux and OpenSolaris distros are welcome - e-mail me if you have a distro and need help. ..." Full post: JDK on GNU/Linux: Something Wonderful http://blogs.sun.com/roller/page/webmink?entry=jdk_on_gnu_linux_something [e2eiod comment...] I would not question Sun's generosity too severely. There are sound business reasons for doing this. Patrick Barnes mentions "alternatives" in his reply. Think in terms of AJAX: http://storagemojo.com/?p=66 http://itscout.blogspot.com/2006/05/google-gifts.html http://itscout.blogspot.com/2006/05/yahoo-does-ajax-too.html http://itscout.blogspot.com/2006/05/revolution-will-not-be-podcast-blogged.html The article by Joshua Greenbaum at: http://www.intelligententerprise.com/channels/appmanagement/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=188101077 and your own Chris Nystrom with NewI/O: http://www.newio.org NewI\O Blog http://newio.blogspot.com/ Developers Blog http://conversazione.blogspot.com/2005/12/good-newio-demo.html Very interesting... I agree with Chris' statement for: "NewI/O Project Justification A web browser is basically an Internet Document Browser (or IDB). It was not designed to run programs across the Internet. For example, it does not keep track of program state (Read the NewI\O Blog for technical discussions about the current state of the art). Existing systems appear to me to be kludges to get the document browser to do something for which it was not designed. What we need is a browser designed from the ground up to run programs across the Internet. What we need is an Internet Application Browser (IAB). We need something with the remote display capabilities like X-Windows, but with additional multi-media capabilities, wrapped in something with the ease of use of a web browser. There is an opposing view to NewI/O posted at Eric Boutilier's Weblog: http://blogs.sun.com/roller/page/eric_boutilier "Ajax/Java and Databases I must say, Google calendar is quite impressive. Maybe the Ajax phenomenon will finally solve my seemingly never-ending search for The One True Calendar: A calendar that not only am I motivated to use (radically fast, minimal-click item entry) but one that I can also get the rest of my family to use. Just think! we'd post and merge all our events, large and small, into one gloriously perfect, ubiquitously accessible, yet secure, MetaBoutilierCalendar.net. (16-year-old got a big Spanish test tomorrow? Bing! goes the alarm on my computer screen at 8:00 the night before prompting me to shout, "Joe, time to `BBL' your IM buddies so we can review the subjunctive!") Anyway, what's this got to do with a UNIX/FOSS blog? Well being a former systems engineer, I also can't help wondering about the databases that are running behind the scenes of all these nifty new "Ajaxian" applications. Which is why these two recent articles really caught my eye: Ajax and Databases JavaDB: An idea whose time has finally come? (By the way, I have no idea what database Google calendar uses.) " Comment: Alternative to NewI/O Eric, nice to see you are as enthusiastic as I am about Google Calendar! Regarding Ajax, databases and my post... well, I don't know for sure what Google Calendar uses, but in the case of most Ajax apps out there, behind all the client-side magic sits a classic CGI, or servlet, or what have you using a regular DB. I guess the kind of DB connectivity I wrote about is still in its infancy--and all the more exciting for that. Andrea Posted by Andrea Campi (81.208.74.189) on May 10, 2006 at 06:39 PM CDT Website: http://www.webcom.it/blog http://www.webcom.it/blog/articles/2006/05/07/ajax-and-databases
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